Guide on how to integrate with non-example app

[ninokierulf]

Hi,

I have a production app, and I would like to do some POC regarding client-side server.
As the sample makefile and scripts are hardcoded for the sample xcodeproj,
is there any way the integration to be simpler?

Thank you

[vadimeisenbergibm]

Hi @ninokierulf

The idea of this is to provide an example project and set of example scripts that can be customized/ taken as a basis for developing projects that would use Kitura/iOS. We will publish a new layout soon, currently it is in https://github.com/rodedz/Kitura-HelloWorld-iOS. In the new layout we use git sub-modules for ClientSide, ServerSide and Builder scripts. So it will be possible to reuse/replace ClientSide and ServerSide parts independently.

I would love to hear your ideas about simplifying the project. BTW, I am at WWDC this week, if you or your colleagues are here, we can discuss your work. There are also Kitura sessions at AltConf.

Thanks,
Vadim

[nerdo]

Some guidance here would be helpful.

Conceptually, I understand how git submodules work but haven't used them much in practice. Beyond just the git knowledge, though, I'm not sure how to handle certain things.

For example, I started a new project based on this and added a few swift files to the Kitura-HelloWorld project. I needed to add a dependency (Kitura-WebSockets) so I added it to the package file. I wasn't sure how to make everything update properly, so I ran make openXcode to re-generate everything. The problem is, it re-created the Xcode project without the swift files I added. I can easily add them back, but as the project grows I can see this being a pain point.

Any guidance on how to work with scenarios like this, and just on swapping out the pieces in general, would be appreciated.

[vadimeisenbergibm]

@nerdo Sorry, I was on vacation.

The idea is that you first work with your Server Side project, e.g. Kitura-HelloWorld as with any other Server Side project - updating its Package.swift and verifying that it works on Mac as a command line Mac program. You commit your changes to your Server Side project. Then you remove ServerSide directory from your iOS project and run make openXcode. It fill fetch the latest version of ServerSide submodule with your changes.

In short, just remove ServerSide directory in your iOS project whenever new commits are added to the ServerSide git repository, and rerun make openXcode.

I hope it helps.

[vadimeisenbergibm]

@ninokierulf @nerdo I just published a blog post describing the technical issues involved in development of Kitura/iOS applications. Kitura/iOS Part 2: Software Engineering Principles of iPhone Web Servers

[svenyonson]

I just found Part 2 - Excellent, thank you. It answered many of my questions regarding the package/framework issues and the general layout of the workspace.

One question: How can I get a callback that the server is listening/ready? I am adding a UIWebView to the project so I can serve web content internally, but I can't load a url until Kitura is ready.

[vadimeisenbergibm]

@svenyonson You are welcome.

One question: How can I get a callback that the server is listening/ready? I am adding a UIWebView to the project so I can serve web content internally, but I can't load a url until Kitura is ready.

Hmm, maybe I miss something, but I think the start of the server is synchronous - the server is started after Kitura.start() finishes. I guess you saw how it is started here https://github.com/IBM-Swift/Kitura-Mobile-Server/blob/87dd1bee02625bd8be6126c8b550af5d0563d7d5/KituraiOS/KituraTableViewController.swift#L70.

So I think it is up to your code to run Kitura.start() first, and then to issue requests to it.

[svenyonson]

I think the issue was likely that my webview was partially hidden under another table cell, so the simple Hello message wasn't visible. During all of that I did find the callback: HTTPServer.started(callback:), which works well.

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On Feb 10, 2018, at 9:59 PM, Vadim Eisenberg ***@***.***> wrote: @svenyonson <https://github.com/svenyonson> You are welcome. One question: How can I get a callback that the server is listening/ready? I am adding a UIWebView to the project so I can serve web content internally, but I can't load a url until Kitura is ready. Hmm, maybe I miss something, but I think the start of the server is synchronous - the server is started after Kitura.start() finishes. I guess you saw how it is started here https://github.com/IBM-Swift/Kitura-Mobile-Server/blob/87dd1bee02625bd8be6126c8b550af5d0563d7d5/KituraiOS/KituraTableViewController.swift#L70 <https://github.com/IBM-Swift/Kitura-Mobile-Server/blob/87dd1bee02625bd8be6126c8b550af5d0563d7d5/KituraiOS/KituraTableViewController.swift#L70>. So I think it is up to your code to run Kitura.start first, and then to issue requests to it. — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#10 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAWlLhe_L_fAjpE9cMruGjpUp-TBS1pAks5tTnO-gaJpZM4Nzgae>.

[vadimeisenbergibm]

@svenyonson ah, great, you are right, here it is https://github.com/IBM-Swift/Kitura-net/blob/dde405aeb3a52592b55b031b5905bfdd81eef4d6/Sources/KituraNet/HTTP/HTTPServer.swift#L223

[svenyonson]

I'm just finishing up on the Monkey See/Do clone/refactor of the build environment. Whew, not for the faint of heart - I'm a little anxious about what happens when XCode 10/11 comes out and how much of the scripts in Kitura-iOS-Build will have to be reworked. But it works now, and thanks for all the effort you put into the build management component.

I'm now trying to have Kitura serve real pages. I added Kitura Stencil and that is now fetching the package. But I'm confused about the resource folders. Should I be adding my template/resource files to ServerSide folders and then run make openXcode whenever I make changes? Or can I just add files to the client public/Views folders? Not sure if the ServerSide needs them? Also, why does the client need to copy the .build files from the client to the device? Isn't everything already part of the Kitura frameworks in ServerSide?

[svenyonson]

I've got it working now by just adding resource files to public and Views and it seems to work fine. I don't imagine adding those folders to ServerSide, so at least for now not an issue.

[vadimeisenbergibm]

@svenyonson

I'm a little anxious about what happens when XCode 10/11 comes out and how much of the scripts in Kitura-iOS-Build will have to be reworked

Yep, until Swift Package Manager is integrated with Xcode, the integration has to be performed by Ruby scripts.

Should I be adding my resource files to ServerSide folders and then run make openXcode whenever I make changes?

The goal is to run the same ServerSide inside an iPhone App and outside it, on a Mac/Linux/Cloud. If you do not need to use ServerSide as a remote backend for your iPhone App, at least you can use it for testing. I think it could be convenient to be able to test and run ServerSide separately. From that goal follows that the resources should be in the ServerSide, since you want to serve them when running outside your iPhone app as well.

BTW, can you share what you use Kitura/iOS for? I imagined the use cases here - https://developer.ibm.com/swift/2017/03/13/kitura-ios/, and I am just curious to know what the people would really use it for.

why does the client need to copy the .build files from the client to the device?

This one is tricky :) It is to serve the Kitura welcome page from the sources (Kitura reads the welcome page from its source - https://github.com/IBM-Swift/Kitura/tree/master/Sources/Kitura/resources. While this is not really needed, the goal was, again, to make Kitura behave identically on the server and inside the iPhone app. This copying can be skipped if you do not have a really strong desire to display the Kitura welcome page.

[svenyonson]

Thanks, that all makes sense. After having had to rework my iOS apps several times after Apple deprecated/changed APIs I decided my next one would use an HTML5 user interface. But there were two issues - first, it has to run offline, and second, this app uses the Dropbox API, and needs to access large files. Browser cacheing doesn't work as the urls for the resources are temporary and expire, so not feasable with a straight webview/cloud application. So, I need to serve dynamic pages offline, and store/process local files. Kitura won't be accessed by anyone other than the embedded webview. (I'd like to have the port closed in production if you have any thoughts on that.) Kitura acts as a cacheing server for dropbox files and allows for fast serving of images for a fluid UI. One final reason: UIWebView has been deprecated. WebKitView (AFAIK) no longer has a usable javascript bridge for intercepting url loads, which was how I used to communicate with the native app by using custom protocols. Now I can use Kitura routing for the same purpose (actually a lot cleaner - the javascript bridge always seemed like a hack). As far as separate server side is concerned, I have a Kitura macOS app (the standard sample app, with added routes and Stencil template engine support) that symlinks /Views and /public from my Kitura iOS project. This lets me rapidly iterate web page implementations (using Stencil) with a desktop browser - and without having to rebuild/cableload my iOS device for every little CSS change.

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On Feb 11, 2018, at 8:30 PM, Vadim Eisenberg ***@***.***> wrote: @svenyonson <https://github.com/svenyonson> I'm a little anxious about what happens when XCode 10/11 comes out and how much of the scripts in Kitura-iOS-Build will have to be reworked Yep, until Swift Package Manager is integrated with Xcode, the integration has to be performed by Ruby scripts. Should I be adding my resource files to ServerSide folders and then run make openXcode whenever I make changes? The goal is to run the same ServerSide inside an iPhone App and outside it, on a Mac/Linux/Cloud. If you do not need to use ServerSide as a remote backend for your iPhone App, at least you can use it for testing. I think it could be convenient to be able to test and run ServerSide separately. From that goal follows that the resources should be in the ServerSide, since you want to serve them when running outside your iPhone app as well. BTW, can you share what you use Kitura/iOS for? I imagined the use cases here - https://developer.ibm.com/swift/2017/03/13/kitura-ios/ <https://developer.ibm.com/swift/2017/03/13/kitura-ios/>, and I am just curious to know what the people would really use it for. why does the client need to copy the .build files from the client to the device? This one is tricky :) It is to serve the Kitura welcome page from the sources (Kitura reads the welcome page from its source - https://github.com/IBM-Swift/Kitura/tree/master/Sources/Kitura/resources <https://github.com/IBM-Swift/Kitura/tree/master/Sources/Kitura/resources>. While this is not really needed, the goal was, again, to make Kitura behave identically on the server and inside the iPhone app. This copying can be skipped if you do not have a really strong desire to display the Kitura welcome page. — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#10 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAWlLp5xrv9rrpHzDz1kFexDGMArU4XGks5tT7BJgaJpZM4Nzgae>.

[vadimeisenbergibm]

Interesting, I always thought that the native UI is always better than HTML5. So in your case you want to get more stability, to be protected from the Apple's changing APIs, and, I guess, you are ready to sacrifice the sleek features of iPhone native UI.

I am glad Kitura helps you in this case.

This lets me rapidly iterate web page implementations (using Stencil) with a desktop browser - and without having to rebuild/cableload my iOS device for every little CSS change.

Yep, this is the supposed killer argument - you can run Kitura on a desktop and inside the iPhone app.

Regarding closing the port in production - I did not think about it, I do not know how to do it.

[svenyonson]

In this case, the app is merely a container for content - no fancy native UI features needed. Plus, you can do some pretty slick stuff with CSS3 these days. And the bonus is that now my app is cross platform - hoping Kitura will make its way to Android someday.

[svenyonson]

So, I guess I don't really need a separate macOS project - I can select and build the Server project, but it doesn't run. (eg. Kitura-HelloWorld project) Is there a setting somewhere to enable this?